ACHA versus CHF

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Hello All……Good to see everyone is discussing the Hockey world. I just felt it was time to offer a dissenting opinion.To Ringers commentary. He makes a number of statements that are backed up by his reading, that are either false or misinformed.First substantiate for me how the leaders of the CHF (myself included) contributed to the issues caused by the ACHA EXEC Board. What experience can you show or detail that remotely justifies that statement. Secondly I do agree with you if both parties had sat agreed to sit down sometime in the last 14 months to discuss/address/resolve the problems presented to the ACHA board things might be different. Problem there is the ACHA EXEC Board refused to address the issues presented by member conferences, despite repeated requests to do just that. Their ignoring/turning their nose up to the present issues got us to here today. Hobeysmom references three of the issues that are in play, its impossible to discuss, have a dialogue or search for a resolution when you’re the only one interested in fixing/discussing those issues, the ACHA Board refused to engage in any effort to work things out. You’re perplexed we’d be so upset that the ACHA Board, for 14 months, refused to address their issues you listed. ( lack of communication-adherence to by-laws-decisions made arbitrarily without input or consultation from paying member schools). We’re just crazy that way, expecting the organization to do right by its members.
To NY Hockey Boss point. “National” (CHF term for tournament bound teams) will pay a higher fee than “League” (CHF term for non-tournament bound teams) . Dollar figures TBD. The exploration of “non-tournament” bound teams is this…ACHA has voted it down once and pushed off any resolution to the 2020-2021 season. IT starts in the CHF DAY ONE.

Getting closer to the 12th. Any update on who is staying and going in D2 or still pretty much just D3 teams joining. Seems like it could be a cake walk for Fairfield and Farmingdale in Nashville for the D3 land.

Few questions;

When ACHA teams play NCAA teams, does the USA hockey insurance become invalid since NCAA teams have their own insurance? I asked a commissioner of a SE conference and he didn’t answer me. Shocking.

Why couldn’t the college teams that join the CHF register as Adult teams through their USAHockey district? Which I did about 10 years ago. I’m under the impression, ACHA teams were Adult Senior teams. But nonetheless, there is no usahockey rule preventing any adult team from playing out of district, at least not yet.

Wouldn’t the exclusion of competition be against the Sherman Act? How can the ACHA be the only association?

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Hey Guys…
Calihockey…I think their would be some type of waiver needed for the ACHA vs NCAA. Not sure just a thought
-This is ultimately how the CHF will be insured thru USAH…some details still being ironed out

  • You’re right …USAH won’t stand for exclusion with another USAH program…we’ll see if ACHA gets that

Chiz…fake D-Day…ACHA trying to get a head count to see how short their budget $$$ will be. If a team doesn’t declare today…what happens?? ACHA gonna turn them out…push them over to the CHF?? I doubt it…but we’ll see

Just curious as why so many people are worried about USAH insurance? It’s a supplemental secondary insurance that barely pays out? Many of cases where claims were denied.

Issue I have is our student athletes have primary insurance from there parents or wherever, then secondary insurance through our school (proof for other schools could be given). So why do i need to double up with USAH insurance?

Why does a waiver exist for ncaa teams but not the non-Hockey Canada or aau juniors? Something doesn’t seem right.

I’m surprised a lawyer hasn’t gone after USA hockey using the Sherman act.

I’m almost positive the officials and coaches won’t be covered by schools insurance

As coaches (employees) of the school, we are covered under the school insurance as well. Plus we are adults with careers who have insurance.

I understand that but the whole USA hockey insurance excuse isn’t valid.

A few officials just referee for a living. They don’t have insurance

Not all coaches are employees of the school. With club hockey, my experience has been most are not considered official employees.

Not entirely invalid. It is an additional hoop to jump through. It also changes the cost structure. USA Hockey roughly charges 700 per team, which is rolled into the ACHA fee. This year individual fees, which is what would have to happen with the CHF, are 46 per player/coach. With the ACHA you get 30 players and 3 coaches, that cost at an individual rate would be 1518 per team. The team I am associated with carries 3 coaches and 27 players, so our individual registration cost would be 1380. It is important to note this is not USA Hockey blocking the CHF from being an affiliate. The window to apply for affiliate status for the next season is in the Fall. I think it speaks to what is a bigger symptom for the CHF side of things, they just were/are not ready to launch in this window. I think the CHF idea and outline holds a lot of promise, it really does but the leaps of faith they are asking competitive teams to make at this juncture is just to much. Might not be that way next year but it is now.

Looks like the entire DVCHC just made the jump except for Rowan(D3) and George Mason.

My assumption is it looks as if so far the ACHA won’t count ACHA vs CHF games towards the ACHA teams rankings. However the CHF will count all games towards their rankings. Can someone confirm this? So basically these ACHA vs CHF games have no real value for ACHA teams, except for game experience, etc. This is all assuming both teams are USAH registered and everything else falls into place.

Our conference falls into a tough place where our league is staying but a lot of our normal non league games are against teams who are leaving to join the CHF. Can be very frustrating from a scheduling standpoint.

So if you’re an ACHA team might as well start cancelling games and find an ACHA team to replace with. Just my $0.02

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Coach…Thats how the ACHA hopes you move forward. They can’t “not allow” two USAH insured programs to play. USAH would drop a hammer on that, but they sure will discourage it. Funny how the CHF can make it work but not the ACHA…my $0.02

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Some of you are clowns and so uninformed… You are all missing the point… Every member of the ACHA board should resign immediately, for failure to do what they were elected to do. And anyone who supports what happened today should be ashamed of themselves. What occurred today was an absolute abomination of leadership, and I’m sick to my stomach about it. This isn’t a game, this involves kids and a ton of history and tradition… Listen to the story, not from your fixed, “tunnel vision” perspective, but from the common sense perspective, right wrong or indifferent…

The CHF guys try and get everyone the right to vote at Naples, and the D1 guys and guys who want to continue to benefit from the status quo, make sure it doesn’t happen, so the CHF guys announce they’re doing their own thing. Rather then the ACHA attempt to resolve issues raised by concerned members, they let the group leave Florida pissed, ready to start their own thing. The ACHA is a service based 501c3, not a dictatorship, and they only served themselves in Naples… First Mistake… They should have locked the group in a room and hammered it out until it was resolved. Failure of Leadership!

The ACHA responds to the CHF’s conference call campaign and email blast, not by calling for a meeting to again resolve or address issues, rather they take the approach of handling it with the launching of the “They, will not have insurance campaign”, which was ridiculous, 100% not accurate and borderline illegal… Then the ACHA, for the first time in 25 years, announces that you need to declare allegiance while school is not in session in the middle of July. These two brilliant moves scare the shit out of a ton of programs and people who maybe didn’t know the whole story, and heard something, or saw something and fear that scheduled games aren’t going to count, or that their whole league may leave. But again, instead of the ACHA trying to clear the air and resolve anything, they throw fuel on the fire by sending out more bullshit emails about magic registration portals… They said the same shit about Pointstreak, how’d that work out? So what happens, the CHF confirms they’ll have legit insurance, will allow anybody to paly anybody, have a tournament, and corporate support, then decide to break Twitter on the ACHA’s July 12, D-Day… So, now in the Exec Dir’s first year, he sat at the helm of a vote to continue to disenfranchise 400 teams who couldn’t go to Naples for whatever reason and watched a new league form on the foundation that they will do everything the ACHA will not… How do you allow that to happen? Either you’re compromised or you just don’t care!

Here it is folks!!! The ACHA lost an entire region of teams today! They lost two highly decorated conferences that have been a staple in D3 for more than 15 years, with a list of other conferences and teams that are sure to continue to grow over the weeks to come. The ACHA can’t recover from what they allowed today… Somebody’s going to have to make up a $200,000 hit, who do you think that’s’ going to be?

Well said. This isn’t the 1st attempt at alternative league. Why is the MCLA run so much better than the ACHA?

This is all about $$$$$ in my opinion

I don’t have the energy as a lot of these people starting the CHF but I think CHF would have a legitimate lawsuit against USAHockey and ACHA. You would need an lawyer that is a expert in the Sherman Act. Heck, the USFL defeated the NFL in court. Right now, there is a NASL vs USSF lawsuit going on that I would pay close attention to and see the end result.

This is what I would do besides looking at my legal options:

  1. Contact DAZN and ESPN+ to cover nationals
  2. Start a junior college division - heck NJCAA had a 4 team national championship with 7 total teams for years
  3. Publish your budget and actuals monthly
  4. Have a player board think “SAAC” a few schools have student athletic directors that are actual students
  5. Go after the NAIA schools
  6. Stay away the D1 standards that don’t get followed anyways
  7. The regional idea is fine but the problem is each division has teams that play up because their of location.
  8. You need different options, I think it’s crazy to ask a new team to pluck down ACHA dues when they have zero chance to make nationals. I think the CHE and UNYCHL both have the right idea.

What I would do is have the myh rankings take the top 8 that is your national tournament for the top division then the next 8 is your D2 championship. This way you’ll mix up nationals each year, more opportunity for the .500 teams.

If you think refs are doing this for a living, and use USAH insurance as a primary insurance, you are really misinformed on what USAH insurance is and how it works… again, no one has answered me on why we are so infatuated with USAH insurance as a secondary insurance. Is it because they are monopolizing the market? I go yes.

I know of at least two that do this as a living - hockey in the winter, soccer or baseball in the summer.

K&k insurance picks up after your primary insurance doesn’t, if you don’t have a primary insurance- what is k &k then?

But yes the secondary insurance is bs…is it void if 1 player doesn’t have insurance?